All J.W.'s should take this video to heart, and never discuss any aspects of their private lives with elders.
They should also "never go beyond what is written" and confess anything to such men.
The Fall Guy
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This is why the Elders should always call the WT society or personal attorney before ever talking to the Police.
by StoneWall inthis is probably going to unnerve some on here or make them uncomfortable.we always hear, why didn't the elders call the cops first instead of the wt society (lawyers/attorneys).
in cases of child molestation or other incidents.this video is why and if you're smart you'll follow their example.i'm not taking the wtbts side on this just so you know in advance because i do not agree with the two witness rule at all.but be that as it may,this is by far the best lawyer/attorney and law professor i've ever heard on the subject of why you should never talk to the police and always let an investigation be made through counsel.this is why in the usa you have the right to remain silent when talking to police/authorities but even more important what the fifth amendment really entails and why it would behoove us all to understand what can happen even if you are totally innocent and have nothing to hide but how things can go horribly wrong.if i ever have to go to court for anything i can only hope that i got a lawyer as competent as this one the vid is approx 46 minutes long but well worth investing that time because if you had to talk to a lawyer it would cost you a lot to receive what this professor covers in this.the majority is from the law professor and the remaining minutes are of a former police captain/investigator with his insights and opinions.and just to be clear, i'm not suggesting that the elders not call the police because they should in cases of child molestation but rather they better get legal advice to protect themselves so that they don't have to answer for the wtbts decisions.look how many former (ex) elders we have on sites like this one and others and i'm so happy they got free of the wt but also they didn't get in trouble by accidentally saying/doing the wrong thing.all of us can benefit by following this advice in the video and i hope you enjoy it and to know what your rights arehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xyp7ee.
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Really struggling to go on
by Isambard Crater inso, so much has happened in my life over the years and continues to happen, but i won't go into the details as it would take a long time.. i don't really know why, but i returned to "the truth" 15 years ago.
in 2012 when the tv broadcasting station launched, i started to develop doubts.
the australian royal commission and other scandals made me angrier, and i now don't believe most of the core teachings.. the only reason i show up at 5 or 6 meetings each month is to keep in contact with my parents and a few other family members.. but it's killing me, literally.
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The Fall Guy
Hi I.C. - my heart goes out to you.
There is light at the end of this tunnel - as well as a P.M.
Talk any time - and gain strength & comfort!
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So, would we call the GB our Uncles, Aunts, Sisters or Cousins???
by stuckinarut2 inok, so try and follow me here.... according to jw doctrinal teachings, the gb are "christ's brothers".
humans are all "god's children".
so does that make the gb our "uncles"?.
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The Fall Guy
Easy - Anti-Christs.
NWT, p. 1693 - Antichrist. "The Greek term has a twofold meaning........It may also refer to a false Christ, one in the place of Christ. All people, organizations, or groups that falsely claim to represent Christ....................... can properly be called antichrists."
(1 John 4:3) "But every inspired statement that does not acknowledge Jesus, does not originate with God.....this is the antichrist’s inspired statement...."
Think about the G.B. - inspired Memorial talk; when the speaker directs virtually everyone to reject the bread & the wine - thereby disavowing what Christ instructed.
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Mr. Rutherford took a lesson from Christendom's clergy!
by The Fall Guy injv chap.
6 pp.
69-70 a time of testing (1914-1918) - "march 15, 1918, the watch tower society released the tract kingdom news no.
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“a bigoted class of men who have systematically endeavored......to throttle all Bible teaching unless it comes through them.”
Keep in mind that this accusation comes from the alleged God-selected "faithful slave" - isn't this exactly what the current "slave" dictated in the September 2007 Kingdom Ministry - "Don't do any research of doctrines in groups which are not under our control."
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Mr. Rutherford took a lesson from Christendom's clergy!
by The Fall Guy injv chap.
6 pp.
69-70 a time of testing (1914-1918) - "march 15, 1918, the watch tower society released the tract kingdom news no.
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jv chap. 6 pp. 69-70 A Time of Testing (1914-1918) - "March 15, 1918, the Watch Tower Society released the tract Kingdom News No. 1. - “Religious Intolerance - Pastor Russell’s Followers Persecuted Because They Tell the People the Truth.”.....The instigators? The tract pulled no punches in pointing to the clergy, who were described as “a bigoted class of men who have systematically endeavored......to throttle all Bible teaching unless it comes through them.”
The coal calling the kettle black - yet again!
Intolerance? Inconceivable within the WTBTS! :(
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I'll Be Walking Into The Convention Arena Today
by pale.emperor ini work in the city, the liverpool convention is this weekend.
what better way to spend my lunch hour than pop over to the liverpool echo arena and see my daughter.
im in jeans, tshirt, adidas tracksuit jacket and worldly beard.
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I have been informed by two trusted JW sources that 2 sisters at different conventions - one in England and one in Scotland - were refused entry to the arenas because they didn't have lapel badges!
Be prepared P.E. :)
Anyone else experienced this?
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Latest Study Watchtower - JW's NEED to confess to elders
by The Fall Guy inwatchtower november 2017, page 10, paragraph 8 - "today, a christian guilty of serious sin needs to seek the help of congregation elders to recover.
) why is this so important?
first, the arrangement for elders to handle cases of serious sin comes from jehovah, (2nd lie!
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Watchtower November 2017, page 10, paragraph 8 - "Today, a Christian guilty of serious sin needs to seek the help of congregation elders to recover. (1st lie!) Why is this so important? First, the arrangement for elders to handle cases of serious sin comes from Jehovah, (2nd lie!) as outlined in his Word. (Jas. 5:14-16) (3rd lie) Second,...." (Let's quickly move on now brothers & sisters, because these 3 "truths" have been satisfactorily answered from the paragraph)
The perverting of the James scriptures by the "faithful slave" - in order to reinforce the unscriptural and evil practice of "compulsory confession" - should be proof enough that the WTBTS serves no god except itself.
In the RNWT, James 5:14-16 says this, "Is there anyone sick among you? Let him call the elders of the congregation to him, and let them pray over him, applying oil to him in the name of Jehovah. And the prayer of faith will make the sick one well, and Jehovah will raise him up. Also, if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. (by whom - the elders????????) Therefore, openly confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, so that you may be healed"
1) Sick among you - not a serious sinner.
2) "If he has committed sins" - the word 'serious' is missing!
3) "Openly confess your sins to one another". Are J.W. elders obliged to openly confess their serious sins to publishers in their congregations? If not, the org's mandatory confession is a one-way street!
The Greek word which many Bibles (not all) translate as 'sin', actually means any of the following; "faults, offences, trespasses, to err, be mistaken, miss the mark, or wander from the path."
Jesus' words at Matthew 18:15-17 command Christians how to deal with serious sins - between the people directly involved, and no confession to elders!
Witnesses - examine the gulf between what the org says and what is really true.
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When exactly did Jesus become king? The Insight Book tells us.
by The Fall Guy init-2 pp.
61-62 jesus christ - "they [1st century christians] recognized him as their lord........because of his kingly position and authority.
it was in the full regal as well as priestly authority represented by jesus’ name that his followers preached.....to the “name” of this divinely commissioned king, the lord jesus christ.
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w16 May p. 11 par. 12 - "What has been the record of Jehovah’s Witnesses? They are the only ones who preach that Jesus has been ruling as King since 1914."
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When exactly did Jesus become king? The Insight Book tells us.
by The Fall Guy init-2 pp.
61-62 jesus christ - "they [1st century christians] recognized him as their lord........because of his kingly position and authority.
it was in the full regal as well as priestly authority represented by jesus’ name that his followers preached.....to the “name” of this divinely commissioned king, the lord jesus christ.
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it-2 pp. 61-62 Jesus Christ - "They [1st century Christians] recognized him as their Lord........because of his kingly position and authority. It was in the full regal as well as priestly authority represented by Jesus’ name that his followers preached.....to the “name” of this divinely commissioned King, the Lord Jesus Christ."
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My Boyfriend is a recent Ex Jehovah Witness
by whatisthis12 ini have been dating my boyfriend for almost a year now.
when i met him i had no idea that he was a jehovah witness.
we took a vacation and he lied to his parents about who he was with, and they ended up finding out not only that he way lying, but who i was.
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The Fall Guy
Firstly, welcome to the site.
This is like de ja vu!!!!!! (I am a fading ex-J.W. by the way)
I had a long term connection with a girl who was in exactly the same situation as yourself. She tried every way possible to get the love of her life to waken up to the fact that he was in a cult. After two years of anguish, she was dumped and he returned to the family home! She is now recovering from her lengthy mental trauma and ditching.
Unless your boyfriend can see - and admit it to you & himself - that he's been immersed into a cult, then do exactly as St. George of England advised, run like hell!
I hope your choice comes easily and quickly - whichever way it goes.